senator Lieberman mentioned proficiency in the nape test and it just remind me of this when I first got into the 7 2009 I had a round table of principles and one of the principles in Minnesota and he said we we think of the NCLB tests as autopsies and I knew exactly what he meant because what are you saying is that the students take the test in late April if they're lucky they get them back in late June the teachers can't use the results to inform their instruction so I saw that in Minnesota that in addition to the NCLB test a lot of schools majority of schools were taking a computer adaptive test a computer test you get the results right away and adaptive so that you can measure outside of grade level and this is brings me to the issue of proficiency which the senator cited versus growth and I would like your your views on the relative advantage of measuring and doing assessments and using them to measure proficiency or to measure measure growth Thank You senator for that question I think if I'm understanding your question correctly around proficiency I would I would also correlate it to competency and mastery so that you each student is measured according to the advancement that they're making in each subject area so that's growing that that's not proficiency so in other words the growth they're making isn't growth the proficiency is if the arbitrary standard reached a level the proficiency is if they've reached a like third grade level for reading etc it you know I'm talking about the debate between proficiency and growth yeah what your thoughts are on well I was just asking to clarify then well this is this is a subject that is has been debated in the education community for years and I've advocated growth as the chairman and every member of this committee knows because with proficient see Thatcher's ignore the kids at the top who are not going to fall below proficiency and they ignore the kid at the bottom who no matter what they do will never get the proficiency so I've been an advocate of growth but it surprises me that you don't know this issue and mr. chairman I think this is a good reason for us that more questions because this is a very important subject education our kids education and I think we're selling our kids short by not being able to have a debate on it and I didn't know of any rule about this you know everyone gets one question and one other senator gets a question I don't know where that rule comes from well I'll tell you where it comes from senator Franken it comes from the committee president the way we treated President Obama's nominees John King and the way we treated Arne Duncan and the way I was treated when I was a secretary but I'm gonna plan on applying the same rules to them though to secretary device or who – mrs. – I think we're selling our kids short by not being able to ask follow-up questions and I was kind of surprised well I'm not that surprised that you did not know this issue mr. Voss your family has a long history of supporting anti LGBT causes including donating millions of dollars to groups that push conversion therapy the practice of trying to change someone's sexual orientation or gender identity for example you and your family have given over 10 million dollars to focus on the family an organization that currently states on its website that quote homosexual strugglers can and do change their sexual behavior and identity mrs. DeVos conversion therapy has been widely discredited and rejected for decades by every mainstream medical and mental health organization as neither medically nor ethically appropriate it has been shown to lead to depression anxiety drug use homelessness and suicide particularly in LGBT youth in fact many of the leaders and founders of conversion therapy including both religious ministries and mental health professionals have not only publicly renounced it but have issued former formal apologies for their work and how harmful it has been to the individuals involved mr. Chairman I would ask that this be included in the record it will be mrs. DeVos you still believe in conversion therapy senator franken I've never believed in that first of all let me say I fully embrace equality and I believe in the innate value of every single human being and that all students no matter their age should be able to attend a school and feel safe and be free of discrimination so let's start there and let me just say that your characterization of contributions I don't think accurately reflects those of my family I don't you think I would hope that you wouldn't include other family members beyond my core family well in terms of throwing numbers around you said that student debt is increased by a thousand percent since nine thousand eighty percent in eight years I'm sorry nine hundred and eighty percent that's not that's still not a so it's increased 118 percent in the past eight years well so I'm just asking if you're challenging my figures I would ask that you get your figures straight about education policy and that's why we want more questions because we want to know if this person that we aren't trusting may entrust to be the Secretary of Education if she has the breadth and depth of knowledge that we would expect from someone who has that important that important job thank you

Al Franken Baffled By DeVos' Ignorance On Education
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  • July 12, 2019 at 7:33 pm
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    Secretary DeVos has done more for education than all the prior secretaries of education before her, including spending millions of her family's money. The headline on this article is as biased are the numerous comments. I would challenge any of the intellectual wizard, liberal commentators to tell us what their personal contribution to education is in comparison to DeVos. I am sure it will be humbling.
    And this coming from Al Franken, who was forced to resign due to sexual harassment?

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  • July 12, 2019 at 7:33 pm
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    Lady take that dum as crime off your lie ing face. Admit your not up to speed at this time.

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  • July 12, 2019 at 7:33 pm
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    This lady is dumb as a box of rocks!!! And she doesn’t care about education she just wants a big yearly check.

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  • July 12, 2019 at 7:33 pm
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    the FINEST people!

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  • July 12, 2019 at 7:33 pm
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    Good gods I miss him

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  • July 12, 2019 at 7:33 pm
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    I’m sure she doesn’t give a crap about lgbtq people of any age just like she didn’t give a crap about the people in Flint Michigan she help to poison and then profiteered off their suffering.

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  • July 12, 2019 at 7:33 pm
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    One word… SAVAGE

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  • July 12, 2019 at 7:33 pm
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    She's and her family are monsters

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  • July 12, 2019 at 7:33 pm
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    The proficiency and growth thing wasn’t necessarily fair. The an existential question and he set it up in a weird way, however, it is quite easy to answer so I don’t feel bad for here. Profiency is an goal growth is the point of the exercise they aren’t mutually exclusive

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  • July 12, 2019 at 7:33 pm
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    This has got to be the most (implicit) security treasurer ever!

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  • July 12, 2019 at 7:33 pm
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    Al Franken no matter his past like Trump no you can understand why Trumps people had to make him go

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  • July 12, 2019 at 7:33 pm
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    Al Franken no matter his past like Trump no you can understand why Trumps people had to make him go

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  • July 12, 2019 at 7:33 pm
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    It surprises him? She don't know anything about the schools

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  • July 12, 2019 at 7:33 pm
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    We need you there now Al. I know you goofed up but can’t believe how Gillinrad and others in the Democratic Party drove you out! Too few critical minds in hearings .

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  • July 12, 2019 at 7:33 pm
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    All of Idiot Trump’s cabinet is as stupid as he is: embarrassing!

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  • July 12, 2019 at 7:33 pm
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    What is she? Secretary of Dumb Center for Kids Can’t Write? lol

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  • July 12, 2019 at 7:33 pm
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    BRING THIS MAN BACK!

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  • July 12, 2019 at 7:33 pm
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    2.38 her face 😂😂😂😂🙏🙏🙏🙏

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  • July 12, 2019 at 7:33 pm
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    This "person's" family has promoted conversion therapy for homosexuals. How despicable that this trump appointee supports such nauseating things. Why the hell is this uninformed rich bitch the secretary of education??? Answer: Her family paid trump enough money.

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  • July 12, 2019 at 7:33 pm
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    Wonder how this dumbo douchebagette got selected to Secretary of Education?? Possibly big donation to the totally corrupt douchebag in chief?

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  • July 12, 2019 at 7:33 pm
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    AL Franklin should be restated.

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  • July 12, 2019 at 7:33 pm
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    These hearings are a waste of time. They question these wealthy people and clearly it means nothing because at the end of the day they leave these hearing go home to their huge homes and bask in their wealth.

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  • July 12, 2019 at 7:33 pm
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    $180,100 A Year and the people in the comment section of this video sound more educated, about education!

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  • July 12, 2019 at 7:33 pm
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    She hasn't shown proficiency in her job.

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